tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post5725713223047314518..comments2023-02-12T10:34:53.384-06:00Comments on veganelder: Consider....veganelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-22680319938811524602011-02-11T11:25:40.176-06:002011-02-11T11:25:40.176-06:00Powerful post! And excellent contributing comments...Powerful post! And excellent contributing comments. I don't have anything to add as such, but very much enjoyed reading this. Thank you all!So I'm Thinking Of Going Veganhttp://thinkoutsidethepiggybank.typepad.com/so_im_thinking_of_going_v/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-39279744372828201622011-01-08T07:14:05.109-06:002011-01-08T07:14:05.109-06:00Thanks Harry for you follow-up comment. Jeez, you ...Thanks Harry for you follow-up comment. Jeez, you want to make me think. :-)<br /><br />You offer a great example of the fact that issues will always arise and decisions will always have to be made when living beings interact with one another. The operative principles of non-exploitation and compassion can be useful when having to make such decisions and it sounds as if you folks are doing a veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-74541886208697143872011-01-08T07:06:19.050-06:002011-01-08T07:06:19.050-06:00Thank you Krissa for your follow-up comment. One o...Thank you Krissa for your follow-up comment. One of the things I keep in mind about the stories of the beginnings of human animal and dog animal or cat animal interactions is that they are speculations or guesses. Until time travel becomes available we won't know for certain how it began...certainly however we know that now it has ended up where our species does lots of exploiting of other veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-27402741177848170682011-01-05T15:56:23.294-06:002011-01-05T15:56:23.294-06:00Hi VE, Krissa, Bea
Thanks for your further commen...Hi VE, Krissa, Bea<br /><br />Thanks for your further comments on pets.<br /><br />It is a difficult one. I agree that it would be best to just observe them in their natural habitat and not have them become part of one's immediate family but, as Krissa eluded to, for various reasons non-human animals will choose to be with us. I take our feral cats as an example: our 'taming' them wasHarryhttp://www.agentleplace.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-13926042229707672952011-01-05T07:32:41.055-06:002011-01-05T07:32:41.055-06:00I might be wrong about this, I could swear that I&...I might be wrong about this, I could swear that I've read that dogs started hanging around humans to get meat scraps and then humans started keeping them around for protection/warning them about 'danger' coming, etc. And as each of our species were evolving, clearly one changed way more than the other. We started using them instead of living peacefully with them each in our own Krissanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-87250288365378445802011-01-05T05:19:06.278-06:002011-01-05T05:19:06.278-06:00Thank you Bea for your thoughtful comment. The sor...Thank you Bea for your thoughtful comment. The sort of "gOd" you envision sounds pretty good to me.<br /><br />While it is likely not possible because of the incredible complexity involved, I would like to think (at least in part) one of the reasons freely and mutually agreed upon relations with nonhuman animals are desirable is that such relations offer the opportunity to experience veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-91260330661211342222011-01-04T22:10:27.198-06:002011-01-04T22:10:27.198-06:00Great post! I've often thought that each of us...Great post! I've often thought that each of us is a "gOd" of our own making. In truth - don't each of us whether we follow a conventional "religion" or not, pick and choose which parts of what teachings to believe in? We are so brilliant everything is re-defined and interpreted the way we want it to be. So yeah! You're definitely right in asking the question &Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-12561672113897875012011-01-04T07:37:52.025-06:002011-01-04T07:37:52.025-06:00Thank you Harry, for your excellent comment.
I ho...Thank you Harry, for your excellent comment.<br /><br />I hope this addresses your question...I see problems whenever a non-human animal is dependent (unable to effectively survive on their own) on human animals (because of interference by human animals). <br /><br />If there is a voluntary bonding when a choice of ways of living is available....that to me is optimum.<br /><br />I love my veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-46660919290720398622011-01-03T15:16:23.460-06:002011-01-03T15:16:23.460-06:00Your words remind me of Matthew Scully's plea ...Your words remind me of Matthew Scully's plea for Mercy in Dominion. If we are to act like gods, surely we could live up to that status and be merciful? Veganism would have to be the start of that - I'd be surprised if you get alternatives flooding your comments.<br /><br />Your thoughts on breeding animals dependent on us brings up a dilemma - while I abhor the concept of breeding Harryhttp://www.agentleplace.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-7556159235704830512011-01-03T12:06:33.213-06:002011-01-03T12:06:33.213-06:00Thanks Krissa for your comment. You touched on one...Thanks Krissa for your comment. You touched on one of the consequences (generally bad for the animals) of human animals causing certain types of sentient beings to be dependent on humans....what happens to those dependent beings when their guardian is no longer able to care for them. They don't have the option of making their own way in the world (for the most part)....so they are screwed. veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-67107399931726148022011-01-03T07:34:20.889-06:002011-01-03T07:34:20.889-06:00Wow! Really great post. A lot to consider and re...Wow! Really great post. A lot to consider and reflect on. ... When you wrote about what happens to 'pets' once their person dies..... that is my biggest fear right now in life that I will pass away before Spike (our cat boy). He likes my husband, but I am his world. He came from an abusive home and I met him at the shelter. I was the only person he accepted, which is a huge Krissanoreply@blogger.com