tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post397577519758921781..comments2023-02-12T10:34:53.384-06:00Comments on veganelder: Things are in the saddle, And ride mankind.veganelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-8273837346229112392013-11-17T06:21:25.012-06:002013-11-17T06:21:25.012-06:00Thanks for commenting again Greener Pastures ACGGC...Thanks for commenting again Greener Pastures ACGGC. When I was starting out as a very inexperienced and unskilled young psychotherapist an older and more skilled one pointed out to me that facts do not change attitudes. At least not with most of us human animals. I thought, at the time, that maybe he didn't know what he was talking about. Many encounters with humans struggling with life veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-86002755174747540312013-11-08T07:45:47.254-06:002013-11-08T07:45:47.254-06:00Well, I read those articles but I still feel the s...Well, I read those articles but I still feel the same. I agree, it is slavery, in effect. But most of us are slaves then. We have jobs that we are only doing because we have to. Most of us have no choice. I HAD to consent to cleaning toilet bowls for a living because that's how I kept the roof over my head. Many of us hate our job. That's why we get paid for it. It's something you do Greener Pastures--A City Girl Goes Countryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05448845964131250749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-74068730717815694742013-11-05T10:25:44.770-06:002013-11-05T10:25:44.770-06:00Veganelder, thank you for the nice response to my ...Veganelder, thank you for the nice response to my honesty. I will go to those links when I get a chance. I am sick right now but I didn't want you to think I just dropped off the face of the earth. I'm interested in this conversation and will be back. Greener Pastures--A City Girl Goes Countryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05448845964131250749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-19709935217676628442013-11-04T06:19:13.139-06:002013-11-04T06:19:13.139-06:00Thank you for commenting HGV, I apologize for the ...Thank you for commenting HGV, I apologize for the delay in responding. I'm right there with you fearing that awful is liable to happen before desirable. Fingers crossed.veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-18264345774605072592013-11-01T06:55:15.219-05:002013-11-01T06:55:15.219-05:00Thank you for commenting Greener Pastures. And con...Thank you for commenting Greener Pastures. And congratulations (and thank you) on your efforts to become vegan. It is indeed difficult to work through the cultural conditioning that permeates our society. Not only can it be difficult...it can be disorienting and disturbing and sad-making. If ever I can assist...please feel free to call on me.<br /><br />Riding horses...hmmm...well I have my take veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-8983482314827516062013-10-30T20:45:45.525-05:002013-10-30T20:45:45.525-05:00Now don't attack me folks, but I'm not a v...Now don't attack me folks, but I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan. I would like to be. It's hard overcoming cultural behaviors. I am working on it though.<br /><br />You'll probably get mad about this too. I ride horses. The reason why I don't feel bad about riding my horses is because I think of it as their job. Just like my husband and I have jobs. We all have to work in this Greener Pastures--A City Girl Goes Countryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05448845964131250749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-74306095778041024012013-10-27T19:34:26.018-05:002013-10-27T19:34:26.018-05:00I do believe veganism is the only (or at least, th...I do believe veganism is the only (or at least, the best) cure for our "sickness", but I see Canada, and the US and the rest of the world getting sicker faster and faster, and fear that there may not be enough time left before enough others see what we do. I would be very happy to be proved wrong though.<br /><br />Have Gone Veganhttp://www.havegonevegan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-49284459845900171422013-10-27T07:44:51.606-05:002013-10-27T07:44:51.606-05:00Thank you for commenting Christine. Societal growt...Thank you for commenting Christine. Societal growth, like personal growth seems to follow the pattern of the spiral. The same positions are revisited...almost. Each return involves some differences and each return offers the opportunity for further growth. We seem to returning to the "bad old days" in many ways...and it is distressful and destructive...yet...maybe that's what we veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-34245819086130408532013-10-27T07:39:44.267-05:002013-10-27T07:39:44.267-05:00Thank you for commenting DEM. I've seen refere...Thank you for commenting DEM. I've seen references to Emerson as being vegetarian but I couldn't find anything written by him re this. Let me know if you find something concrete. I look forward to your take on the essay. veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-52354798714720150952013-10-27T02:48:39.485-05:002013-10-27T02:48:39.485-05:00Thank you for a very interesting post, indeed much...Thank you for a very interesting post, indeed much food for thought. The Chris Hedges essay so well sums up the situation in the world today. It is just the same here in the UK, the advances made in the last sixty years have been destroyed in the last three years. I agree that what he says could just as well apply to our treatment of animals, in fact it is mostly the unbridled greed of the rich Christinehttp://www.think-differently-about-sheep.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-57846889006020913272013-10-25T23:04:25.623-05:002013-10-25T23:04:25.623-05:00I think Emerson was a vegetarian (or vegan, maybe)...I think Emerson was a vegetarian (or vegan, maybe). I will have to look back into it. I know he was for at least a while, if not for his whole adult life. <br /><br />I will have to read Hedge's essay. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-48191252481480364802013-10-25T07:29:04.933-05:002013-10-25T07:29:04.933-05:00Thanks for commenting Bea. You wrote: "I trul...Thanks for commenting Bea. You wrote: "I truly believe squaring up our relationship to nonhumans is that critical." Me too.<br /><br />That's a disappointing note you wrote about Mr. Hedges. His use of the phrase "too extreme" was not a reference to the phenomenon of our behaving justly toward our Earthling sisters and brothers...it was defining the smallness of the veganelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188156008589356984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688566476953748496.post-63280465332823358042013-10-23T18:51:39.100-05:002013-10-23T18:51:39.100-05:00I too see and fear a sickness. I can only define i...I too see and fear a sickness. I can only define it with the word "carnism" taking it a step further than what Melanie Joy intended. I take it to mean being enamored and hypnotized by the material world. By any and everything that pleasures our physical bodies and egos. The sickness blinds us to the damage we cause to others. It forces us to live in the concrete moment left with our Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.com